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  The smug arrogance of "having the truth".

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  has anyone noticed that witnesses (from the top down) seem to have a quiet form of smug arrogance toward all non witnesses?.

  perhaps it comes from being told how "special and unique" they are but they end up looking down on all normal members of the community because they are not witnesses.. so any form of "love" they show those in the territory is also limited as long as they accept the message...otherwise they are viewed contemptuously as "worldly" and therefore of little value...after all,they will be destroyed right?.

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  Muddy Waters

  Omg... yes... the smugness, the arrogance...

  Juxtapositioned against being meek, lowly, humble, submissive... a worm... a grasshopper... nothing but dust... a weak, inferior, fleshly organism... unworthy... sinful... imperfect... unrighteous... undeserving of kindness... doomed...

  And then, footstep followers, blessed by the sovereign of the universe... clean, righteous, holy, moral, like a pig washed from his mud, like a dog not eating his vomit... a precious pearl... highly valued in god’s eyes... blessed with special knowledge and insight, saved from the wicked world... upstanding... a glory to the nations, a spectacle to the world... (the JWs somehow thought that was a good thing, the spectacle to the world thing, where people would oooh and aaah at our holiness and uprightness...)

  Yes, omg, I think I even have some wrinkle lines of total smugness still etched on my face... but they are changing...

  I remember once even praying, “Oh Jehovah, thank you that I have the truth, and that I am not like these sinful, worldly people all around me...” and then I stopped cold, because I sounded JUST LIKE the Pharisee who was praying how thankful he was that he was not like those sinners... I remember feeling very confused and not knowing what to think... the cognitive dissonance was strong at times...

  And yes, I totally agree with Sparky that JWs do not have the market on arrogance smugness... I see it and recognize it instantly with any person or group or religion who also holds similar, superior types of views ... which I now find very sad, divisive, and un-enlightened ...
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  Annual Mtg Points

  by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

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  matt 28: 19 is the year text.

  new understanding on joel ch 2 who are the locusts?.

  there is a new building addition to warwick in the works.

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  Muddy Waters

  I wonder what the new understanding is of the locusts..... ?
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  The Jehovah's Witnesses religion is a pretentious fraud.

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yup that's right the jws religion is a pretentious fraud orchestrated by men running their own religious publishing house.. these men cultivated a semblance of power around themselves through their own propagation of being chosen by god or being more righteous than other christian leaders by their self supporting acclaim that they have truer and more accurate bible interpretations.

  another known fact is these top leading men were not academically trained bible scholars.

  the first leading executive writer of the wts was a professional clothing salesman/ businessman.

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  Muddy Waters

  This thread is AWESOME. And hearing it like this.. geez.

  One wonders how they ever came to be so duped!!! - I was not born in, actually converted to this shit after going thru a very challenging time, once upon a time... anyway.

  Thank you. This thread is awesome! Every JW dupe/ dub should read it!

  Finklestein, your post should be made into a freakin’ FLYER and put out there!!
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  Netflix “Explained: Cults”

  by Butterfly607 in

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  has anyone else seen the netflix documentary “explained: cults”?

  i thought it was well done.

  i feel like a jw might watch it and feel uncomfortable as the show goes through the definition of cults and then the step by step indoctrination process.

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  Muddy Waters

  I’ve not heard of this, so very much appreciate your bringing it to our attention! :)
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  New Boy The Book is Free For The Next 30 Days

  by The Bethelite in

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  for those of you that have not got my book new boy yet, it will be free for down load on amazon books.

  you can down load it on your kindle for the next 30 days at no cost.

  enjoy keith.

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  Muddy Waters

  I paid for it too, but happy to support Keith and his hard work. It was a fascinating read, loved seeing behind the curtain! 👍🏼

  Yes, there were some typos.
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  2019--Two New Documents Arrived!

  by Atlantis in

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  2019 congregation field service and meeting attendance report-s-1-e. https://docdro.id/tosesq0.

  2019 elders meet with regular pioneers--special pioneers-and field missionaries.-s-211-20-e. https://docdro.id/or4rg4l.

  what is the teaching toolbox mentioned in above elders meeting documents?

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  Muddy Waters

  Thank you for sharing this, Atlantis!

  omg, it’s just the same boring, mindless, repetitive drivel over and over and over and over.

  They think they’re spicing it up by using cool new lingo, “The Teaching Tool Box” which is just their same old crap, same old publications, but oooh, videos too.

  And the letter of appreciation (to be carefully read to the pioneers, word for word, exactly as stated) from the GB, pompous bastards...

  This is all so sickening to me now, but I do appreciate you sharing this, thank you.
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  New eBook - Free for five days

  by Michael George in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  removed.

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  Judgment and condemnation... Jesus’ second coming...

  Personally, I am so done with all that. But thank you for your offer. Good luck. Or whatever.
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  WT / JW Doctrine ,Satan cast out of Heaven in 1914 ? He has always had access to the earth ? Since Eve .

  by smiddy3 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this doctrine / belief that jehovah`s witnesses have , surely raises a few questions that they do not address.. 1.this spirit being challenged god by questioning his authority and offering eve an alternative making himself satan.. and this took place on earth ,the garden of eden.

  so he who became satan had access to the earth.. 2. all throughout the old testament , the hebrew scriptures do we find examples of satan interfering with gods plan of things either by himself or his followers .. 3.their are just too many examples to list individually ,however a few key ones would be , the nephilim , job when god in heaven asks him where he has been , and his reply , from roving about on the earth .

  , etc.etc.. 4.and of course in the new testament , where jesus is taken up into a mountain to be tempted by satan for fourty days ?.

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  DOUG MASON - I loved your explanation, thank you! In my excitement to “like” your post, my finger slipped and I hit dislike!

  Keep those informative posts coming, it is SO GOOD to hear different explanations and interpretations. Thank you.
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  Strangest JW you ever knew stories

  by rickroll in

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  2. experiences

  we all know/knew people in the kh that were about nuts.

  tell us your strangest stories.

  i will start.

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  Muddy Waters

  A few memorable characters from various KHs over the years:

  - two extremely obese sisters who roomed together and had horrific fights and would call the elders on each other. They would rip doors off and overturn the kitchen table in their fights.

  - another very obese sister who had no car and who expected everybody to pick her up and take her to meetings and out in field service, etc. Trouble was, she had to urinate every 10 minutes and everyone needed to be able to accommodate her urgent... needs. She never once ever offered anyone money for fuel.

  - another sister with a small bladder who was a bit more practical and would pee behind or beside a bush. (Erm, this person would actually be me! Haha!) The sister with her in field service would stand in front of her or behind, holding up a coat to shelter her (me) with, LOL.

  - a pioneer brother who made his living selling Avon products to the sisters. He desperately hoped to marry someone. Anyone. Right now.

  - a Circuit Overseer who, for EVERY TALK OR LOCAL NEED, would bring out the evils and sins of oral sex. He would drool and spit as he frothed on about it. *shudder*

  - a young pioneer brother who bought himself - get this - gasp! - a 2-door sports car!!

  - a young brother returning from Bethel who expected everyone to be bedazzled by him and worship him and provide him with all his needs. I don’t believe I’ve ever seen someone behave so arrogantly and with such a feeling of entitlement... oh wait... Donald Trump suddenly comes to mind.

  - cruel elders, elders with dementia, elders on power trips...

  - sisters like sharks against each other when an eligible brother appears in their midst...

  - ... elderettes....
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  Last minute change of venue for 2019 JW regional convention

  by sir82 in

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  jw regional conventions scheduled to be held in rochester ny in august 2019, will instead be held in wilkes-barre, pa.. here is the story:.

  https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2019/07/09/jehovahs-witnesses-pull-conventions-unable-reach-deal-pegula-sports/1685174001/.

  looks like the new management of the rochester arena didn't like playing "hardball" with the jw negotiation team, and just decided to close their doors.. the group is looking at returning to rochester next summer, miller said, adding this is "not a cold, hard break.

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  Muddy Waters

  It sounds like the disagreement was about the new owners of the arena insisting on having their own security, janitors, and parking attendants as per their own safety & liability requirements.

  We can imagine the JWs balking over all that nonsense when they have their own (superior and theocratically-trained) voluntary workers for these positions,